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Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By Ragnulf-le-maudit
8/15/2017 10:06 am
I Wonder this because i drafted a LB with 100 spd, 87/99 passrush, 77 STR. He was listed as a DE during training camp, now is a lb to keep his weight down (245, i would like 260, so i'll have to make him a DE for some time). Due to injuries, he has only 370 plays so far (in 10 games). Still, he just managed to register 3 hurries and 5 tackles.
Is it only an experience/play knowledge issue (low right now), or do you notice something with speed rushers ?

Thanks

Re: Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By Bryson10
8/15/2017 10:50 am
Small ends get eaten by olineman now. I think anything under 260 is gonna have a hard time

Re: Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By setherick
8/15/2017 8:13 pm
Speed rushers do absolutely fine if they are of weight. This guy is a converted OL with basically no pass rush. He's got 9 sacks and 29 hurries through 10 games: https://beta87.myfootballnow.com/player/1405

He'll be absolutely useless once blocking attributes catch up, but he does just fine now.

Re: Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By jabillups85
8/15/2017 8:41 pm
How the **** is he any good?!

Re: Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By setherick
8/15/2017 8:43 pm
jabillups85 wrote:
How the **** is he any good?!


Beats me. I have a thread about it in MFN-1.

Re: Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By punisher
8/16/2017 9:08 am
setherick wrote:
jabillups85 wrote:
How the **** is he any good?!


Beats me. I have a thread about it in MFN-1.


OL-turned-DL Experiment = https://mfn1.myfootballnow.com/forums/6/1322?page=1#8152

Re: Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By raymattison21
8/17/2017 6:42 am
Big Frank was held to 1 tackle and three hurries his last game under the line play adjustment. Still a bit high (stats) but I did not take any account for scheme. The game is different . ...a bit of value has been added for ( smaller) speed rushers in this test.

Re: Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By setherick
8/17/2017 7:30 am
raymattison21 wrote:
Big Frank was held to 1 tackle and three hurries his last game under the line play adjustment. Still a bit high (stats) but I did not take any account for scheme. The game is different . ...a bit of value has been added for ( smaller) speed rushers in this test.


It's big Fred, not Frank, but anyway. He still blew up much better pass blocking TEs like on this play: https://beta87.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/573#105591 (69 at the bottom of the screen. TE holds him long enough that it's not a pressure, but the 90+ ST and 60+ pass block TE is overwhelmed by the 300# DE.)

Re: Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By raymattison21
8/17/2017 10:58 am
setherick wrote:
raymattison21 wrote:
Big Frank was held to 1 tackle and three hurries his last game under the line play adjustment. Still a bit high (stats) but I did not take any account for scheme. The game is different . ...a bit of value has been added for ( smaller) speed rushers in this test.


It's big Fred, not Frank, but anyway. He still blew up much better pass blocking TEs like on this play: https://beta87.myfootballnow.com/gamecenter/view/573#105591 (69 at the bottom of the screen. TE holds him long enough that it's not a pressure, but the 90+ ST and 60+ pass block TE is overwhelmed by the 300# DE.)


I always wondered if TES are included in oline and dline blocking changes....

Re: Are speed rushers still usefull ?

By jdavidbakr - Site Admin
8/17/2017 1:22 pm
raymattison21 wrote:
I always wondered if TES are included in oline and dline blocking changes....


Yes, once a pair of players go into a blocking engagement they all fall under the same algorithm.